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Once Saved, ALWAYS Saved
By Brian Price 7/13/2012

This is a little conversation that I had with an atheist. We went back and forth a couple times prior to the very first message that you see, but I wanted to get to the root of the issue with our conversation. My tactic with debating an atheist is to simply tell them what the Bible says, and I try to give an honest answer for their concerns, which mostly is, What proof do you have for God? I always try to give them proof, but it never ceases to amaze me that they do not accept the proof given. Alas, Jesus was quite correct, that if anyone does not receive the kingdom of God as a little child, then they will in no wise enter therein. In reality, simple belief is all that the Bible requires, even though great infallible proofs have been given. People think faith is belief without evidence. Since that's what the dictionaries say, that's what they think it means. But the Bible was written before any dictionary, and it says that faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen (Heb. 11:1). Faith is a belief by means of evidence, not without it. We believe in God because there is proof, not because there is not. Nevertheless, here is the discussion between me and an atheist. He thinks he was saved, and then lost his salvation. But that's just impossible, as you will soon find out.

(Also, just another side note - For respect towards God, I have omitted some of this person's words. I do not wish to repost blasphemous words against God.)

ConceptGaming says - [Sentence Omitted]. I became an atheist when I was trying to find good reasons to tell people to believe. And look as hard as I did, and pray as hard as I could, I couldn't find a good reason to believe, so I stopped believing.

bprice144 says - c0nceptGaming, I am sorry to hear about your deconversion experience. Unfortunately, according to the Bible (1 john 2:19), you never truly got saved. Perhaps you were religious, but you were never saved. I once used to be religious myself, but never personally knew the Lord Jesus. It was not until I truly repented of my sins (felt truly sorry) and turned to Jesus with all of my heart that I got saved.

I will give you my best honest effort to prove to you God is real.

1. Go to valueoftruth(.)org, and read my article Proof There Is A God. I try to give a very in-depth research into the many proofs of God.

2. In the beginning, when God created mankind, he gave man the choice to eat whatever he wished, including of the fruit of the tree of life. Instead of doing that, man chose to disobey God, and eat of the tree of death (tree of knowledge of good and evil), and by his choice, he brought death into the world... knowing full well the consequences of his actions. Since that time, all of mankind has been made sinners, according to the book of Romans. This is why Jesus shed his blood at Jerusalem. It was to wash away our sins and give us eternal life. It is because of His love for us that he did this. God is love. He is not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance (2 Peter 3:9).

I hope this helps to clear things up for you a little.

ConceptGaming - So I read threw your article. Believe me, I was truly saved, and all I wanted to do was be the best christian I could be.

Another thing, in the Unites States, atheists are the most hated minority.

bprice144 says - c0nceptGaming, you were not truly saved. I am sorry. But you cannot convince me that you ever knew the Lord, because on judgment day, you will hear Jesus say to you, "I NEVER knew you. Depart from me ye that work iniquity." - Matthew 7:23

If he never knew you, then I think that says it all. You were never his, otherwise, you would have continued with us.

"38 Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.
39 But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul." - Hebrews 10:38-39

Notice it says, we are not of them who draw back unto perdition, which word means utter loss or ruin. Which is what happened to you. You were never saved to begin with because we true Christians are not of you who draw back to perdition.

The Bible also says we are kept by the power of God in 1 Peter chapter 1. So no matter how much you or any other atheist may fight against God to snatch us out of his hands, you will never succeed because Jesus said, "My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand." - John 10:27-28.

Likewise, you are absolutely wrong about atheists being the most hated minority group. True, born again, Bible believing Christians are the most hated minority group, because again, Jesus said, "And ye shall be hated of ALL MEN for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved." - Matthew 10:22.

If atheists were so hated and despised by the world, then why do we have a secular government, a secular school system, and why is secular humanism the only acceptable way to be in America and in any other prosperous nation? If you believe in God, you are looked at like an idiot.

"1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.

2 The Lord looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God.

3 They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

4 Have all the workers of iniquity no knowledge?" - Psalms 14:1-4

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